Eugen Leitl
2013-11-25 14:36:24 UTC
----- Forwarded message from Ray Soucy <***@maine.edu> -----
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:32:10 -0500
From: Ray Soucy <***@maine.edu>
To: Rob Seastrom <***@seastrom.com>
Cc: NANOG <***@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Meraki
Message-ID: <CALFTrnPpBQLHRRDkMnt1nz8Wi0k3B6KEmt9tbgNS-***@mail.gmail.com>
It looks like Brocade has swapped out Quagga with IP Infusion's non-free
version, ZebOS. They also decided to abandon the FOSS Vyatta Core project.
It's really unfortunate, as the FOSS project is the only reason I was
interested in paying the licensing. It was attractive to have Vyatta Core
as a no-cost option for small things, and the subscription edition for
higher visibility devices. Now that they've moved away from having any
FOSS project, I'm not really inclined to invest in the product, I'm sure
there are others who feel the same way.
There is a group of people who were active in the Vyatta community trying
to get a fork of it going under the name VyOS, http://www.vyos.net/
As far as Ubiquiti, it looks like about 2 years ago they actually hired a
few people from Vyatta, Inc. to work on EdgeOS. So development of EdgeOS
has continued [and likely will continue] independently, though it looks
like at least a few people from UBNT are interested in seeing VyOS happen
and participating on their own time. I know one of the early goals for
VyOS is to get the documentation up on their Wiki and have a release of the
current Vyatta Core with the name swapped out as a starting point.
I really hope the VyOS project can get off the ground. If any developers
familiar with maintaining Debian-based distributions are on-list, I know
the project is looking for people to help.
I haven't tried out their software in a more than trivial
configuration, and haven't gotten IPv4 policy routing working (though
I understand it's in there now). An ER-Lite tunnels IPv6 fine,
haven't tried it with PD...
expectations. The EdgeRouter Pro has been on their web site for well
over a year. The EdgeRouter Carrier (with 10ge SFP+) has disappeared
from their web site altogether.
I'm concerned about the Vyatta CLI docs and their continuing
availability. Someone from Brocade should make some public statements
to set our collective minds at ease.
That said I've been reasonably happy with the UBNT stuff (mostly older
outdoor gear) that I've bought over the past several years. It's held
up well. Just don't count on the availability of anything that you
can't order up from your favorite VAR and have it show up in the
FedEx.
-r
--
Ray Patrick Soucy
Network Engineer
University of Maine System
T: 207-561-3526
F: 207-561-3531
MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network
www.maineren.net
----- End forwarded message -----
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:32:10 -0500
From: Ray Soucy <***@maine.edu>
To: Rob Seastrom <***@seastrom.com>
Cc: NANOG <***@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Meraki
Message-ID: <CALFTrnPpBQLHRRDkMnt1nz8Wi0k3B6KEmt9tbgNS-***@mail.gmail.com>
It looks like Brocade has swapped out Quagga with IP Infusion's non-free
version, ZebOS. They also decided to abandon the FOSS Vyatta Core project.
It's really unfortunate, as the FOSS project is the only reason I was
interested in paying the licensing. It was attractive to have Vyatta Core
as a no-cost option for small things, and the subscription edition for
higher visibility devices. Now that they've moved away from having any
FOSS project, I'm not really inclined to invest in the product, I'm sure
there are others who feel the same way.
There is a group of people who were active in the Vyatta community trying
to get a fork of it going under the name VyOS, http://www.vyos.net/
As far as Ubiquiti, it looks like about 2 years ago they actually hired a
few people from Vyatta, Inc. to work on EdgeOS. So development of EdgeOS
has continued [and likely will continue] independently, though it looks
like at least a few people from UBNT are interested in seeing VyOS happen
and participating on their own time. I know one of the early goals for
VyOS is to get the documentation up on their Wiki and have a release of the
current Vyatta Core with the name swapped out as a starting point.
I really hope the VyOS project can get off the ground. If any developers
familiar with maintaining Debian-based distributions are on-list, I know
the project is looking for people to help.
Pricing just popped up for the new EdgeRouter PRO last night and I was
$360
For a device with 2 SFP ports, and 2M PPS. That is music to my ears
since$360
For a device with 2 SFP ports, and 2M PPS. That is music to my ears
we do a lot of dark fiber around the state even for smaller locations.
I'mpretty excited to get one of these and see how they perform.
Me too... Will probably pony up for one as soon as I can.I haven't tried out their software in a more than trivial
configuration, and haven't gotten IPv4 policy routing working (though
I understand it's in there now). An ER-Lite tunnels IPv6 fine,
haven't tried it with PD...
I feel like I'm at the risk for becoming a UBNT fanboy. Does anyone have
any qualified horror stories about EdgeMAX or UniFi? Everything I've
beenany qualified horror stories about EdgeMAX or UniFi? Everything I've
able to find has been for nonsense configurations like complaining about
trying to to OSPF over WiFi ... Who does that?
They are an unmitigated disaster at hitting dates and calibratingtrying to to OSPF over WiFi ... Who does that?
expectations. The EdgeRouter Pro has been on their web site for well
over a year. The EdgeRouter Carrier (with 10ge SFP+) has disappeared
from their web site altogether.
I'm concerned about the Vyatta CLI docs and their continuing
availability. Someone from Brocade should make some public statements
to set our collective minds at ease.
That said I've been reasonably happy with the UBNT stuff (mostly older
outdoor gear) that I've bought over the past several years. It's held
up well. Just don't count on the availability of anything that you
can't order up from your favorite VAR and have it show up in the
FedEx.
-r
Ray Patrick Soucy
Network Engineer
University of Maine System
T: 207-561-3526
F: 207-561-3531
MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network
www.maineren.net
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